Comments on: How to use chord progression in live looping http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132 In search of the unplayed music... Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:18:41 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Arne Skage http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132/comment-page-1#comment-311 Arne Skage Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:22:30 +0000 http://www.perboysen.com/?p=132#comment-311 Hey Per , concerning midi and tempocontrol, check out this new software http://www.adiginvention.com/ Arne Hey Per , concerning midi and tempocontrol, check out this new software http://www.adiginvention.com/

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]]> By: Per Boysen http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132/comment-page-1#comment-28 Per Boysen Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:58:25 +0000 http://www.perboysen.com/?p=132#comment-28 @Adam, Yes, if you run the looper as the Sync Master the Record command instantly starts recording. The second time you hit the Record button it closes the loop and it starts looping back as you played it. I always loop like this, running the looper as the Sync Master and everything else as the Sync Slave - be it Ableton Live, Apple MainStage, a beat synced delay box, a drum machine or whatever I have at hand. I'm afraid I can't come up with any good advice if you want to run the looper as the Sync Slave to a host application etc. It just contradicts how I experience the act of making music. I wouldn't be able to play fluently in such a set up - I really need the technology to follow the tempo I start playing in rather than play to a click track or pre programmed tempo. @Adam,
Yes, if you run the looper as the Sync Master the Record command instantly starts recording. The second time you hit the Record button it closes the loop and it starts looping back as you played it. I always loop like this, running the looper as the Sync Master and everything else as the Sync Slave – be it Ableton Live, Apple MainStage, a beat synced delay box, a drum machine or whatever I have at hand.

I’m afraid I can’t come up with any good advice if you want to run the looper as the Sync Slave to a host application etc. It just contradicts how I experience the act of making music. I wouldn’t be able to play fluently in such a set up – I really need the technology to follow the tempo I start playing in rather than play to a click track or pre programmed tempo.

]]> By: Adam http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132/comment-page-1#comment-20 Adam Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:25:55 +0000 http://www.perboysen.com/?p=132#comment-20 Hi. This is really amazing sounding! I am so frustrated though! I am used to using an BOSS RC-50... with that I can hit record immediately as I start a bar, and immediately where that bar would start again, and my loop plays perfect and all my slaved midi gear syncs perfect. The problem is (as you may know) the RC-50 sounds horrid when you change tempo in the slightest... and it doesn't behave well slaved (and neither does live with it)... So I want to be able to loop like this from within ableton and either just use ableton or ableton + mobius. I can loop with these but the only way I can do it (while keeping sync with live) is for me to start the recording of a loop BEFORE the bar I really want to start on comes around. I guess it's just that I'm not used to this, but this seems so awkward to me and kills my creativity. Is there any way to loop where I hit record and it instantly starts recording and ends instantly when I hit record again, and it quantized that loop to whatever the tempo in live is and keeps it synced? I hope this made sense. I would be SOOOO greatful if you can help me, I have been racking my brain for weeks trying to get this right, haha. Hi. This is really amazing sounding! I am so frustrated though! I am used to using an BOSS RC-50… with that I can hit record immediately as I start a bar, and immediately where that bar would start again, and my loop plays perfect and all my slaved midi gear syncs perfect. The problem is (as you may know) the RC-50 sounds horrid when you change tempo in the slightest… and it doesn’t behave well slaved (and neither does live with it)…

So I want to be able to loop like this from within ableton and either just use ableton or ableton + mobius. I can loop with these but the only way I can do it (while keeping sync with live) is for me to start the recording of a loop BEFORE the bar I really want to start on comes around. I guess it’s just that I’m not used to this, but this seems so awkward to me and kills my creativity. Is there any way to loop where I hit record and it instantly starts recording and ends instantly when I hit record again, and it quantized that loop to whatever the tempo in live is and keeps it synced?

I hope this made sense. I would be SOOOO greatful if you can help me, I have been racking my brain for weeks trying to get this right, haha.

]]> By: Todd M http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132/comment-page-1#comment-19 Todd M Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:56:21 +0000 http://www.perboysen.com/?p=132#comment-19 I see the light. I was messing around with loop copy mode but I hadn't messed around with the time copy mode yet. I was talking about Mobius although, as I have been working out this project in Mobius, I have been trying to figure out the best way to do the same with SL. I have gotten a nice button layout for the soloing and have the muting quantized but so far I don't think the next loops/solo can be quantized. I have to ask Jesse about that. Thanks again for the help! Hopefully I'll get this working and put up a video today. I got Radiohead arrangement for bass I've written out that would work perfect with this style looping. I see the light. I was messing around with loop copy mode but I hadn’t messed around with the time copy mode yet.

I was talking about Mobius although, as I have been working out this project in Mobius, I have been trying to figure out the best way to do the same with SL. I have gotten a nice button layout for the soloing and have the muting quantized but so far I don’t think the next loops/solo can be quantized. I have to ask Jesse about that.

Thanks again for the help! Hopefully I’ll get this working and put up a video today. I got Radiohead arrangement for bass I’ve written out that would work perfect with this style looping.

]]> By: Per Boysen http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132/comment-page-1#comment-18 Per Boysen Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:20:08 +0000 http://www.perboysen.com/?p=132#comment-18 @Todd M Hi Todd - This step may turn out different depending on what looper you are using. At the demo video I was using <a href="http://www.zonemobius.com/" target="_blanc" rel="nofollow">Mobius software</a> on a laptop. The trick to have the new (empty) loop created at one cycle's length and overdub you set it in the preferences at "Configuration/Preset/Switch" as "Loop Copy = Timing" and "Time Copy Mode = Overdub". If not using the latter setting you will have to play it by hitting Overdub after having hitting NextLoop but before the NextLoop is executed i.e. during The Lame Duck period ;-) I just checked and you can really set Mobius by general preferences to create such a new empty and overdubbing loop of once cycle's length. It doesn't matter if you have multiplied a loop to many cycle's length, the next fresh loop will always appear at one cycle's length. I've done this kind of looping with my <a href="http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html" target="_blanc" rel="nofollow">physical EDP looping device</a> too (Echoplex Digital Pro) and it works about the same. I recently gave my EDP to someone else, so I'm afraid I can't check it out in detail for you. But I think the EDP doesn't auto create a new loop of one cycle's length, rather by the loop's length (from where you're coming). If you are using the <a href="http://www.essej.net/sooperlooper/" target="_blanc" rel="nofollow">SooperLooper software plug-in</a> this session would have to be carried out a little differently though, since SL won't let you create and cue up alternative loops to switch between. This looper does only create parallel loops, so you have to make a workaround that mutes one loop while it un-mutes the next on and vice versa. Just mentioning this because I don't know which looper you are working with. Cheers / per @Todd M
Hi Todd – This step may turn out different depending on what looper you are using. At the demo video I was using Mobius software on a laptop. The trick to have the new (empty) loop created at one cycle’s length and overdub you set it in the preferences at “Configuration/Preset/Switch” as “Loop Copy = Timing” and “Time Copy Mode = Overdub”. If not using the latter setting you will have to play it by hitting Overdub after having hitting NextLoop but before the NextLoop is executed i.e. during The Lame Duck period ;-)

I just checked and you can really set Mobius by general preferences to create such a new empty and overdubbing loop of once cycle’s length. It doesn’t matter if you have multiplied a loop to many cycle’s length, the next fresh loop will always appear at one cycle’s length.

I’ve done this kind of looping with my physical EDP looping device too (Echoplex Digital Pro) and it works about the same. I recently gave my EDP to someone else, so I’m afraid I can’t check it out in detail for you. But I think the EDP doesn’t auto create a new loop of one cycle’s length, rather by the loop’s length (from where you’re coming).

If you are using the SooperLooper software plug-in this session would have to be carried out a little differently though, since SL won’t let you create and cue up alternative loops to switch between. This looper does only create parallel loops, so you have to make a workaround that mutes one loop while it un-mutes the next on and vice versa. Just mentioning this because I don’t know which looper you are working with. Cheers / per

]]> By: Todd M http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132/comment-page-1#comment-17 Todd M Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:46:09 +0000 http://www.perboysen.com/?p=132#comment-17 I've been working on this Per but having trouble with step 4. I finally figured out from the manual to have auto record selected so that when you hit next loop, an empty loop slot automatically records.... but for it to automatically be one cycle length and to automatically overdub.....is that a script or is this accomplished through some more settings? I’ve been working on this Per but having trouble with step 4. I finally figured out from the manual to have auto record selected so that when you hit next loop, an empty loop slot automatically records…. but for it to automatically be one cycle length and to automatically overdub…..is that a script or is this accomplished through some more settings?

]]> By: Hanno http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132/comment-page-1#comment-15 Hanno Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:39:49 +0000 http://www.perboysen.com/?p=132#comment-15 Hey Per you old loopaholic, Greets from India where I spend the winter once more. Just checked your loop stepping thru harmonies, WOW ! nice ! I like your instructional stuff and the triple feel when you go to the dominant is kewl too :-) ciao Hanno Hey Per you old loopaholic, Greets from India where I spend the winter once more. Just checked your loop stepping thru harmonies, WOW ! nice ! I like your instructional stuff and the triple feel when you go to the dominant is kewl too :-)

ciao
Hanno

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